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We Can Do Hard Things · September 10, 2026 · 58m

Hannah Gadsby: Neurodivergence & The Exfoliation of Shame

Hannah Gadsby joins for a conversation about neurodivergence, relationships, and shame. Gadsby describes how a later-in-life autism diagnosis reshaped the way they understand themself — a process they call an "exfoliation of shame." The episode digs into why neurodivergent and neurotypical people can experience the same interaction so differently, and why an ordinary "casual" conversation can feel like a marathon for someone who is masking. Gadsby also makes the case for not taking other people's differences personally, and explains what changed when they gave up self-deprecating humor and stopped apologizing for who they are. (This is a best-of re-air.)

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The Exfoliation of Shame: A Later-in-Life Autism Diagnosis
Gadsby describes their later-in-life autism diagnosis as an "exfoliation of shame" that changed how they understood themself.
Masking: The Invisible Work of Fitting In
Gadsby explains the invisible work of masking, and why a "casual" conversation can feel like a marathon for a neurodivergent person.

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