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The One You Feed · May 29, 2026 · 1h 7m

How to Live in the Space Between No Longer and Not Yet

Suleika Jaouad

Suleika Jaouad, author of Between Two Kingdoms, discusses learning to live in the space between 'no longer' and 'not yet'—the liminal period after a major life disruption. Drawing from her experience with acute myeloid leukemia, she explores how illness shattered her plans and forced a confrontation with mortality. She found agency through journaling and creativity, and emphasizes the distinction between physical pain and emotional suffering. The conversation highlights the importance of community and active choices in navigating hardship, and how rituals can ground us in uncertainty.

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Curious

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Living in the Liminal Space
Suleika describes learning to live in the messy middle between a past that's gone and a future that hasn't arrived.
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Creativity and Journaling as Survival Tools
Suleika turned to journaling and creative expression to navigate the isolation and terror of serious illness.
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Community as Medicine
Suleika emphasizes that isolation amplifies suffering, while connection with others who understand is essential for healing.
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Highlights

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Pain vs. Suffering Distinction
Suleika learned to separate the physical sensation of pain from the mental narrative that creates suffering.
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References

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Between Two Kingdoms — Suleika Jaouad
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