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The Ezra Klein Show · July 14, 2026 · 1h 43m

What Xi Jinping Wants

Kevin Rudd

Kevin Rudd, former Australian prime minister and author of "On Xi Jinping," discusses Xi Jinping's ideology, consolidation of power, and vision for China's role in the world. Drawing from decades of personal interaction with Xi and doctoral research on Marxist nationalism, Rudd explains how Xi's background shaped his ambitions for China's industrial dominance and strategic posture toward the United States.

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Novel

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Marxist Nationalism as Xi's Governing Framework
Xi's ideology fuses Marxist Communist Party doctrine with Chinese nationalism, creating a distinct governing philosophy that shapes domestic and foreign policy.
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Highlights

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Xi's Consolidation of Power and Ideological Shift
Since 2012, Xi has consolidated unprecedented personal power while doubling down on communist ideology, reversing the depoliticization trend of his predecessors.
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China's Industrial Juggernaut Status Unrivaled Globally
Under Xi, China has transformed into an industrial power without peer, dominating manufacturing, supply chains, and key sectors like semiconductors and green technology.
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Xi's Ambitions Extend Beyond Economic Dominance to Strategic Positioning
Xi's vision for China goes far beyond becoming the world's leading industrial power—it includes restoring China's historical geopolitical centrality and reshaping the global order.
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Editorial

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Long-Term Relationship Expertise as Intelligence Advantage
Rudd's decades-long personal relationship with Xi, spanning from Xi's time as a local official to his presidency, provides unique insight into how Xi thinks and what he values.
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References

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On Xi Jinping: How Xi's Marxist Nationalism Is Shaping China and the World — Kevin Rudd (2026) — Rudd's latest book synthesizing his doctoral research at Oxford on Xi's ideology
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The Avoidable War — Kevin Rudd — Rudd's framework for US-China strategic competition
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The Party's Interests Come First — Joseph Torigian — Referenced as context for understanding Communist Party dynamics
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The Souls of China — Ian Johnson — Referenced as context for understanding Chinese culture and ideology
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Magnifica Humanitas — Pope Leo XIV — Referenced in discussion

Misc

✧Rudd first met Xi in the 1980s when Xi was a local party official; they reconnected when Rudd was PM and Xi was vice president
✧Rudd pursued a doctorate at Oxford after leaving office, focusing specifically on Xi's Marxist nationalism
✧Rudd recently served as Australian ambassador to the United States before becoming Asia Society's global president and CEO
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