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The Ezra Klein Show · September 15, 2026 · 1h 5m

The ‘But China!’ Dilemma Driving the A.I. Race

The episode examines the recurring “What about China?” objection that dominates American artificial intelligence policy debates. Chinese A.I. models are only slightly behind American ones, so a unilateral slowdown feels like handing away leadership in a critical technology. Guest Matt Sheehan, a Carnegie Endowment senior fellow, explains how China is interpreting the American A.I. debate and what each country’s constraints are. The conversation frames the situation as a prisoner’s dilemma and asks whether the two countries could strike a deal. Sheehan’s work is aimed at building a foundation for that coordination.

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The 'But China!' Wall
American conversations about regulating A.I. repeatedly hit the question of China, with the fear that slowing down U.S. development will let China take the lead in a critical technology.
Chinese A.I. Models Are Slightly Behind
Sheehan notes that Chinese A.I. models currently sit just behind American ones, which sharpens the competitive stakes.

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