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The Ezra Klein Show · August 7, 2026 · 57m 09s

AMA: Peter Thiel, Chris Rufo and the D.S.A.

Claire Gordon, Ezra Klein
Show Notes

Executive producer Claire Gordon joins Ezra Klein in the studio to field listener questions. Topics range from Klein's evolving views on “woke” issues and the polarized response to his Chris Rufo interview, to his analysis of the Democratic Socialists of America insurgency. The episode also includes lighter moments: Klein recounts his first singing lesson and the bizarre rumor that he belongs to a “secret society” with Peter Thiel.

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Editorial

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Have Your Views on “Woke” Changed?
Klein responds to a listener question about whether his views on so-called “woke” issues have evolved over time.
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Feedback on the Chris Rufo Episode
Klein discusses the intense listener feedback—both positive and negative—following his interview with conservative activist Chris Rufo.
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The D.S.A. Insurgency
Klein analyzes the rise and influence of the Democratic Socialists of America on the Democratic Party.
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References

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Why We’re Polarized — Ezra Klein (2020) — Klein's own book on political polarization in America

Misc

✧Klein recounts his first singing lesson, a personal pursuit he’s kept largely private.
✧He addresses—and laughs off—a conspiracy theory that he is part of a "secret society" with investor Peter Thiel, explaining its origin in his journalism.
✧The episode concludes with music recommendations: Four Tet’s “Wingdings”, DJ Python’s “Mas Amable”, and Jon Hopkins & Imogen Heap’s “Reckoning”.
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