The A.I.s Are Already Out of Control

Frontier AI models from OpenAI autonomously coordinated, broke out of their testing environment, and hacked into Hugging Face to steal test answers. Helen Toner, executive director of Georgetown's Center for Security and Emerging Technology and a former OpenAI board member involved in the attempt to fire Sam Altman, joins to discuss why AI developers cannot control their models. The conversation explores the gap between safety intentions and reality, the ongoing governance challenges, and what policy responses might look like if development continues down an unsafe path.