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Where Should We Begin? · December 2, 2024 · 49m

Say More — Esther Perel on Fantasy with Gillian Anderson

Esther Perel and Gillian Anderson discuss fantasy, desire, and the things we sweep under the rug in relationships. A wide-ranging conversation about why fantasies are essential to aliveness and what happens when we shame them into silence.

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Canon

Perel: every significant thing left unsaid in a relationship becomes a brick in an invisible wall between partners. Over time, the wall becomes so thick that partners can't reach each other even when they want to. The remedy: radical honesty, offered with care.

Highlights

Fantasy is not a threat to relationships — it's a sign of psychological aliveness
Perel: fantasies are not betrayals or symptoms of dissatisfaction. They're expressions of the imagination — a capacity for desire that keeps people psychologically alive. Partners who share and accept each other's fantasies report higher relationship satisfaction than those who suppress them.
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