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We Can Do Hard Things · August 11, 2026 · 1h 46m

Can’t Sleep? 4 Strategies to End The Suffering

Glennon Doyle talks with sleep experts Leah Corkum and Marlee Boyle about her own struggle with chronic insomnia and how they helped her recover. They explain that insomnia is a treatable sleep disorder, not a personal failure, and why trying harder to sleep often makes it worse. The conversation covers the essential role of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Insomnia (CBT-I) and the four specific strategies that finally improved Glennon's sleep cycles.

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Curious

CBT-I is considered essential for treating chronic insomnia, and the experts describe its core components.

Highlights

Insomnia is a treatable sleep disorder, not a personal failure
Leah and Marlee emphasize that chronic insomnia is a clinical condition, not a sign of personal weakness, and it responds to proper treatment.
Leah and Marlee explain that performance anxiety around sleep fuels a vicious cycle where effort backfires.
Four specific strategies helped Glennon improve her sleep cycles
The guests guided Glennon through four targeted strategies that made a tangible difference in her sleep.
What 'luging' means and how it differs from ordinary tiredness
The hosts and guests discuss a specific term—'luging'—that captures the unique exhaustion of insomnia.
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