Apple's new iPhones and Watches are better than the last ones

Verge senior reviewers Allison Johnson and Victoria Song take turns interviewing each other about Apple's latest fall hardware. The conversation covers the iPhone 18 Pro's camera system, which is defined by incremental rather than dramatic improvements, and the Apple Watch Series 12 and Ultra 4, which introduce new sensors that could push wearable technology forward. They also discuss the concept of 'health age' and determine who should actually consider upgrading to this year's models.