What Sociopaths Really Feel | Dr. Patric Gagne

Lewis Howes sits down with Dr. Patric Gagne, a diagnosed sociopath who became a therapist and author of Sociopath: A Memoir. Gagne shares her journey of learning to manage the internal pressure she calls a 'vice,' from childhood acts like breaking into homes to feeling safe by lying. She explains that psychopaths do experience emotion, just differently, and that secondary psychopathy—affecting up to 5% of people—is treatable with early intervention. The conversation explores how a therapist can be a calm container without absorbing a client's pain, why interrupting crying can halt healing, and the shame beneath people-pleasing. Gagne also offers the parenting question: 'How does it feel when you feel?' to raise emotionally aware kids.