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Lex Fridman Podcast #473 · June 26, 2025 · 3h 45m

Iran War Debate: Nuclear Weapons, Trump, Peace, Power & the Middle East

Mark Dubowitz, Scott Horton

Scott Horton vs. Mark Dubowitz — a genuine debate on Iran, not two people agreeing. Horton (antiwar libertarian) argues against military intervention. Dubowitz (Foundation for Defense of Democracies) argues for maximum pressure. Lex moderates. A rare example of actual intellectual disagreement on a podcast.

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Highlights

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The debate format reveals what monologue hides
Most podcasts are extended monologues with friendly questions. This episode has genuine disagreement — and the ideas are tested in real time.
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