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The Joe Rogan Experience · September 9, 2026 · 2h 20m

#2551 - Daniel Kokotajlo

Daniel Kokotajlo
Show Notes

Joe Rogan sits down with Daniel Kokotajlo, executive director of the AI Futures Project and a former governance researcher at OpenAI. The conversation covers Kokotajlo's work on AI scenario planning, his time at OpenAI, and the broader implications of advanced artificial intelligence. They explore what near-future AI milestones might look like and the governance structures that could shape their development.

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Highlights

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AI Scenario Planning at OpenAI
Kokotajlo describes his work at OpenAI focused on scenario planning, essentially mapping out possible futures for how AI might develop.
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The AI Futures Project
Kokotajlo now leads the AI Futures Project, an organization dedicated to modeling and understanding long-term AI trajectories.
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Why AI Safety Depends on Governance
Kokotajlo argues that technical AI research alone isn't enough — effective governance is essential to ensure AI benefits humanity.
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Misc

✧Kokotajlo is the executive director of the AI Futures Project and a former governance researcher at OpenAI, where he focused on scenario planning.
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