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The Ezra Klein Show · May 15, 2026 · 1h 13m
This Is Why I Find Pema Chödrön So Essential
Ezra Klein interviews Buddhist nun and teacher Pema Chödrön about her approach to difficult emotions and uncertainty. Rather than pushing away anxiety, rumination, or avoidance, Chödrön teaches that sitting with these experiences releases their power. The conversation covers letting go of difficult emotions, collaborating with reality when things don't go as planned, and awakening to the present moment.
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Curious
Highlights
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Rather than pushing away anxiety, ruminating on it, or trying to solve it, the practice is to sit with difficult emotions and let them move through you, which releases their power.
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When things don't go as expected, the practice is to collaborate with reality as it is rather than fighting what has already happened.
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Pema emphasizes the importance of present-moment awareness—what she calls 'nowness'—as an antidote to anxiety and rumination.
References
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Comfortable with Uncertainty — Pema Chödrön — Ezra's personal favorite; core text on befriending uncertainty
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When Things Fall Apart — Pema Chödrön — Seminal work on adversity and resilience
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Welcoming the Unwelcome — Pema Chödrön — On inviting difficult experiences into practice
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Another Kind of Freedom — Pema Chödrön — Mentioned work
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Shambhala: The Sacred Path of the Warrior — Chögyam Trungpa — Pema's teacher; foundational Buddhist text
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Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind — Shunryu Suzuki — Zen practice and openness
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Enlightened Vagabond — Matthieu Ricard — Recommended work
Misc
✧Pema is a Buddhist nun; her practice centers on befriending rather than fighting experience
✧The counterintuitive core: anxiety released when you stop resisting it
✧Episode frames Pema's work as especially valuable in chaotic times
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