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The Ezra Klein Show · June 9, 2026 · 1h 33m

What's the Left's Vision for Foreign Policy After Trump?

Matt Duss, executive vice president at the Center for International Policy and foreign policy adviser to AOC, discusses the Democratic Party's rupture over foreign policy following Trump's departure. The conversation centers on Gaza as a dividing issue within the party, the collapse of the rules-based international order, and what a progressive foreign policy vision might actually look like in practice.

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Curious

What Does Progressive Foreign Policy Actually Mean?
The left lacks a coherent, articulated vision for what progressive foreign policy would actually do in the world — it's defined more by opposition to current policy than by affirmative strategy.

Highlights

Gaza as Generational Democratic Realignment
Gaza has become the defining foreign policy rupture for Democrats, functioning as the Iraq War equivalent — a generational dividing line that's reshaping party coalitions.
American Skepticism About Interventionism Is Real
The American public has become durably cynical about U.S. military interventions abroad, signaling a structural shift in what foreign policies are politically sustainable.

Editorial

The Rules-Based Order Is Collapsing
Trump's foreign policy effectively destroyed the post-WWII rules-based international order, and Democrats must decide whether restoration is possible or desirable.
Progressive Foreign Policy Requires New Staffing & Vision
Democrats at the highest levels are calling not just for policy shifts but for wholesale replacement of foreign policy personnel, indicating a belief that institutional thinking is fundamentally misaligned.

References

The Hard Truth My Party Needs to FaceChris Van HollenSenators recalibrating Democratic foreign policy stance
Democrats Can't Avoid a Reckoning With GazaMatthew DussDuss's own framing of the core foreign policy fracture
Why We Need a Progressive Foreign PolicyChris MurphySenator articulating left foreign policy vision
Congressman Jason Crow's New Vision for American Foreign PolicyJason CrowDemocratic perspective on post-Trump foreign policy
Crisis of the Common GoodChris MurphyReferenced book on collective challenges
From Life ItselfSuzy HansenExploration of American foreign policy and identity
Book of MercyLeonard CohenPoetry and reflection

Misc

Gaza has become the Iraq War equivalent rupture issue for Democrats — a generational realignment marker
Even senior Democratic senators (Schatz, Van Hollen) now openly calling for break from Biden foreign policy
Duss advises both Bernie Sanders (previously) and AOC (currently) — sits at ideological center-left of foreign policy debate
The question: restore pre-Trump rules-based order, or imagine something fundamentally new?
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