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The Ezra Klein Show · June 30, 2026 · 02:04:31

Chris Rufo Thinks the Right Can Control This. I Don’t.

Christopher Rufo, the influential New Right activist and author, discusses his strategy of using 'agitprop' and emotional resonance to drive political change. Ezra Klein presses him on the risks: Rufo now expresses concern that the movement he helped build is drifting into conspiracy theories, racialist thinking, and internal fractures. The conversation turns on whether short-term policy victories against D.E.I. and the administrative state may seed long-term institutional decay.

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Highlights

Short-Term Victories vs. Long-Term Institutional Damage
Ezra Klein asked whether the tactical success of the new right — policy wins and cultural leverage — comes at the cost of deeper institutional decay and a politics rooted in grievance.

Editorial

Political Life Moves on Irrational Feelings
Christopher Rufo argued that politics operates on narrative, emotion, scandal, anger, hope, and faith — subrational feelings rather than rational argument.
Rufo's Concerns About the New Right
Despite his own role in building the new right, Rufo now expresses worry about its drift toward conspiracy theories, racialist thinking, and internal splits.

References

Unmasking the Administrative StateJohn MariniBook recommendation
The RevolutionaryStacy SchiffBook recommendation
The Managerial RevolutionJames BurnhamBook recommendation
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