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EconTalk · July 20, 2026 · 1h 28m
Dwayne Betts on the Iliad
Dwayne Betts, a poet who survived incarceration, joins Russ Roberts to discuss the Iliad after reading it in three sleepless days. They explore how Homer's ancient war epic is fundamentally about fathers, friendship, and the dignity people forge within inescapable fates. Betts connects Achilles's rage and grief to his own experience of prison and depression, while Roberts examines Homer's cinematic storytelling and the unexpected tenderness between enemies. The conversation moves through the shield of Achilles, Hector's ransom, and how this 2,800-year-old poem still cracks open modern readers.
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Highlights
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Achilles's rage in the Iliad functions as an internal cage—a state of emotional paralysis where his suffering becomes so consuming that he cannot act, choosing instead to withdraw and grieve.
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Homer's Cinematic Eye: Zoom and Tenderness Within Violence
Homer employs a cinematic technique of zooming in and out—from sweeping battlefield scenes to intimate moments of grief, tenderness, and recognition between enemies—creating a visual and emotional texture that feels modern.Editorial
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Betts's decision to read the Iliad over three consecutive sleepless days was not an accident but a deliberate choice to inhabit the text fully, creating an altered state of consciousness that shaped his entire understanding.
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The conversation between Betts and Roberts demonstrates how a single text can become a bridge between two people with radically different life experiences, allowing them to understand each other through shared interpretation.
References
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The Iliad — Homer — Central text discussed throughout; read by Betts in three sleepless days
Misc
✧Betts read the Iliad in three consecutive days without sleep—a form of immersion reading that shaped his entire interpretation
✧Connection drawn between Achilles's rage/grief and incarceration—both states of being trapped by circumstance
✧Roberts notes Homer's cinematic quality: the way scenes shift, zoom, and linger on small human moments within war
✧The ransom of Hector's body is discussed as a moment of grace—enemies recognizing each other's humanity
✧Reading the Iliad became an act of communion between Betts and Roberts; the poem as a bridge between two very different life experiences
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