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Decoder · April 27, 2026 · 1h 2m

That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks

Jennifer Scanlon
Show Notes

Jennifer Scanlon, CEO of UL Solutions, discusses how UL—the 100+ year old safety certification body—evolved from standardizing fire and electrical safety to become a critical gatekeeper in the modern tech era. As IoT, AI, and connected devices proliferate, UL faces new challenges: counterfeit certifications, geopolitical tensions around testing labs, and a tech industry that often treats safety standards as obstacles rather than safeguards.

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Curious

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Geopolitical Tension in Testing Infrastructure
The FCC's IoT testing program faced a probe over alleged ties to China, raising questions about whether the labs certifying our connected devices have conflicts of interest or foreign influence.
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AI and Connected Devices Outpacing Existing Standards
As IoT devices and AI systems proliferate, the nature of 'safety' becomes harder to certify—it's no longer just about hardware fire risk, but about security, privacy, and behavior that's difficult to standardize.
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Highlights

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Counterfeit Certifications as a Market Failure
Fake UL certifications have flooded Chinese-manufactured products, leading to dangerous eBikes, hoverboards, and other devices with fraudulent safety marks reaching US consumers.
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Editorial

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Safety Standards as Hidden Infrastructure
UL's safety mark is everywhere—on appliances, electronics, power cords—yet most consumers are completely unaware of what it means or why it matters.
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Tech Industry Treats Standards as Friction, Not Value
Tech companies often view safety certification as a compliance hurdle to clear as cheaply as possible, rather than as a genuine risk mitigation that protects users and builds trust.
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Misc

✧UL started in 1901 as insurance companies' solution to standardizing fire and safety testing during the electricity boom
✧The UL mark is so ubiquitous most people don't consciously notice it, yet it's one of the most trusted safety symbols globally
✧Chinese counterfeits of UL certifications have led to dangerous products (counterfeit eBikes, unsafe hoverboards) entering US markets
✧FCC's IoT testing program faced scrutiny over alleged ties to China, raising national security questions about who certifies our connected devices
✧Tech companies often view safety standards as friction rather than value—a compliance checkbox rather than a genuine risk mitigation
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