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Decoder · July 20, 2026 · 59m

Dr. Jill Lepore on why the AI backlash is vital for the future

Jill Lepore

Jill Lepore discusses her new book, The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State, which argues that the drive to measure, quantify, and systematize is a dehumanizing force. She connects this historical pattern to the current AI backlash, seeing it as a necessary corrective that forces societies to reconsider the values embedded in technology. Lepore traces how data-driven governance flattens human complexity into artificial structures that undermine agency and meaning.

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Novel

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Systemic Measurement as Dehumanizing
Lepore argues that the practice of measuring, quantifying, and data-driven action flattens human complexity into artificial structures, ultimately dehumanizing individuals and institutions.
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Highlights

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Historical Patterns of Artificial Governance
Lepore uses historical analysis to show that the drive to measure and systematize has repeatedly created artificial structures that undermine human agency.
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Editorial

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AI Backlash as Vital Corrective
Lepore sees the growing backlash against AI not as a hindrance but as a necessary force for shaping a more human-centered technological future.
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References

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The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State — Jill Lepore (2026) — The central thesis of the episode; Lepore argues that systemic measurement creates an artificial, dehumanizing governance structure.
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