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Conversations with Tyler · September 16, 2026 · 56:23

Annie Lowrey on the Time Tax, Fraud, and Rationing by Paperwork

Annie Lowrey, Tyler Cowen
Show Notes

Annie Lowrey discusses her book The Time Tax, arguing that the hours Americans spend on hold, in waiting rooms, and filling out forms is a regressive tax that falls hardest on the poor. Tyler Cowen pushes back, suggesting that bureaucratic friction can serve useful purposes like fraud prevention and screening for motivated immigrants. The conversation covers welfare programs, AI agents potentially automating paperwork, UBI studies, the oddest places for moss, and the 'time tax of friendship.'

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Curious

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The Time Tax: Bureaucracy as a Regressive Burden00:00:58
Annie Lowrey argues that the time Americans spend on bureaucratic paperwork and waiting is a regressive tax, disproportionately burdening the poor.
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Highlights

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AI Agents Could Eliminate Paperwork Within Five Years00:22:57
Lowrey suggests that AI agents could handle most bureaucratic paperwork within five years, potentially eliminating much of the time tax.
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How UBI Studies Changed Lowrey's Priors00:38:28
Lowrey reveals that researching Universal Basic Income studies changed her priors on the policy's effectiveness.
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Editorial

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Tattoos as Permanent Ephemera00:43:50
Lowrey describes tattoos as ‘permanent ephemera’ — a contradiction that captures their cultural role.
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The Time Tax of Friendship00:51:42
Lowrey discusses the ‘time tax of friendship’ — the hours of communication and in‑person meetings required to maintain close relationships.
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The Best Moss in the World00:42:13
When asked about the best moss in the world, Lowrey shares her favorite location (details not disclosed).
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Contradicts

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Bureaucratic Friction as a Useful Filter00:00:58
Tyler Cowen pushes back, suggesting that bureaucratic friction may serve useful functions like deterring fraud, screening for motivated immigrants, and rationing low‑value medical procedures.
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References

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The Time Tax — Annie Lowrey — discussing her new book

Misc

✧Lowrey reveals where to find the best moss in the world.
✧She describes tattoos as 'permanent ephemera'.
✧Cowen asks whether the U.S. Postal Service should be phased out over ten years like Denmark did.
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