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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard · September 2, 2026 · 02:26:23

Ray Madoff (on how billionaires avoid taxes & threaten capitalism)

Ray Madoff

Ray Madoff, a Boston College law professor and tax-policy expert, joins Dax Shepard to discuss how America’s tax code enables a new aristocracy. She explains why salaries are taxed heavily while the ultrawealthy pay almost nothing on capital gains, how a $50 trillion intergenerational wealth transfer yielded only $28 billion in estate tax, and why high earners and the truly wealthy are not the same group. Ray argues that closing loopholes and taxing wealth more fairly could save capitalism from its own excesses, and maintains that the problem is the system, not the billionaires themselves. Along the way, she shares stories from her own unlikely path from mediocre high school student to Wall Street tax lawyer and beloved professor.

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Highlights

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$50 Trillion Wealth, $28 Billion Tax
Ray reveals that over $50 trillion in wealth is being passed down in America, but the estate tax collects only about $28 billion annually, a tiny fraction due to loopholes and avoidance strategies.
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Salaries Are for Suckers
Ray explains the ultrawealthy’s maxim: salaries are taxed at high ordinary income rates, while capital gains and investment income are taxed much lower, so they structure compensation to avoid salaries.
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High Earners vs. the Wealthy
Ray distinguishes between high‑income professionals who pay heavy taxes and the capital‑rich who own appreciating assets and rarely trigger tax events.
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Return to Pre‑Revolutionary Aristocracy
Ray argues that the current U.S. tax system is recreating an aristocracy where wealth and power concentrate across generations, undercutting the ideal of a meritocracy.
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Editorial

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Fair Taxation Can Rescue Capitalism
Ray states that fixing the tax code to tax wealth more fairly would actually save capitalism by reducing resentment and ensuring broad‑based opportunity.
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References

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The Second Estate — Ray D. Madoff
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Immortality and the Law — Ray D. Madoff
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Practical Guide to Estate Planning — Ray D. Madoff

Misc

✧Ray Madoff describes herself as a proudly mediocre high school student.
✧She reluctantly traded philosophy for law school and became a self-described terrible Wall Street tax lawyer who loved teaching.
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