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The All-In Podcast · September 15, 2026 · 1h 4m

Elon Musk & Gwynne Shotwell on AI Risks and Peer Review, Starship, Terafab, SpaceX/Tesla Merger

Gwynne Shotwell, President and COO of SpaceX, joins the All-In crew to discuss her journey from sales to running day-to-day operations, the modern multi-faceted SpaceX (rockets, Starlink, AI, and ties to X), and plans for direct-to-cell satellite service while retiring older rockets. Elon Musk joins mid-show to explain his views on AI risks, the need for peer review of frontier models, and what he meant by 'Dario is right.' The conversation also covers Gwynne and Elon's working relationship, the future of Starship and Terafab, skepticism around flying cars, and the prospect of merging Tesla and SpaceX.

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Highlights

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Gwynne Shotwell's path at SpaceX and working with Elon Musk1:45
Shotwell recounts her journey from early rocket sales to President and COO, describing the unique working dynamic of operating alongside Elon Musk.
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SpaceX's modern diversification: rockets, Starlink, AI, and X6:45
Shotwell describes how today’s SpaceX spans launch services, global satellite internet, artificial intelligence applications, and relationships with X (formerly Twitter).
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Starlink Direct to Cell and retiring legacy rockets13:43
SpaceX is advancing Starlink to connect directly to unmodified cell phones, while planning to retire older Falcon rockets in favor of Starship.
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Elon Musk on AI risks and model peer review27:37
Musk outlines what he sees as AI's real risks, argues for peer review of frontier AI models, and clarifies his earlier statement that 'Dario is right.'

Editorial

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Terafab, flying cars, and the Tesla-SpaceX merger question46:16
The group discusses the concept of Terafab (massive automated factories), the practicality (or lack thereof) of flying cars, and the possibility of merging Tesla and SpaceX.

Misc

✧Gwynne Shotwell makes her first appearance on the All-In Podcast.
✧Elon Musk joins the conversation midway through the episode.
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