Against the Rules · January 28, 2025 · 30m

Natasha Schüll on the Antisocial Lure of Gambling

Michael Lewis talks with anthropologist Natasha Schüll about her decade of fieldwork among slot machine addicts in Las Vegas. She explains why many addicts actually hate winning—it interrupts the immersive flow they seek. Schüll also discusses how the digitization of gambling, including sports betting, is making every form of betting more like a slot machine. The conversation draws on her book Addiction by Design.

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Slot Machine Addicts Hate to Win

Natasha Schüll found that many slot machine addicts actively dislike winning because it interrupts the trance-like state of continuous play.

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All Digital Gambling Now Mimics Slots

Schüll argues that the digitization of gambling, from sports betting to online poker, has made every form of betting more like a slot machine in its design and psychological grip.

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Addiction by Design: Machine Gambling in Las Vegas — Natasha Schüll (2012) — Discussed her ethnographic research.

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